Interview with Joe Davidson and Craig Kovach by Joe Sanchez
1.First of all thank you for joining me, I'm here talking to Joe Davidson and Craig Kovach, they just finished working on Unearthed, so did you guys have fun working on this project?
Davidson: Joe, Unearthed was a plethora of good and bad days but for the most part I had blast. Craig is a monument of stone when it comes to focusing on a project. I myself get distracted easily and …I'm sorry what?
Kovach: We had some shooting days that were a blast. Crashing a '65 Mustang through a wall…running down the center of Seventh Avenue in Ybor City emptying full .44 magnum clips, for example. The Masquerade shoot with the Grim Faeries and hundreds of extras was a lot of fun, too. But mostly the project was absurdly ambitious for an independent budget, so we had a lot of really tough, stressful days during production. Some of our more difficult visual effect shots were strictly single-take. When those went as planned, I'd say we were having fun; when they didn't, not so fun. And then there has been the nearly three years of post production...
2. Did you two ever work together before?
Davidson: Yes. I originally met Craig on another shoot titled Pain; a crime noir feature. We hated each other right off the bat. He thought I was exceptionally dumb for one human species and I thought he was too intelligent for a life force from earth. But after the brain scan I feel better now.
Kovach: It's true. Joe and I couldn't stand each other. We were kind of like Sam Kennison meets Mr. Spock. OK, I can admit that as an improv guy, Joe can be funny, but he never knows when to turn it off. At the same time, I tend to be way too serious most of the time. So Joe and I were this textbook pair of Myers-Briggs personality stereotypes at opposite ends of the scale. Anyway, a few years back several of us were supposed to go together to DragonCon in Atlanta to film the convention that year. Somehow I wound up captive for 9 hours in a car with Joe. We've been friends ever since. Classic Stockholm syndrome, I think.
3. How did the story come about?
Davidson: Craig's idea. He has a knack for extraterrestrial influence within a script. I just read what he wants me to say and then some how manage to decimate that as well.
Kovach: There is actually a fair amount of factual back story in Unearthed. I was fascinated with the Miami Circle site before it got a lot of media attention back in '98 and '99. Most archaeological sites of mystery seem to be located in exotic places, but the Miami site is an enigma right here in Florida. I am actually a geologist by training, not an archaeologist, but I grew up reading UFO magazines and books like "Chariots of the Gods,' and watching shows like "Outer Limits" and "Night Stalker." I suppose the story in Unearthed is a natural distillation of those kinds of things.
4. You serve as writer, director, while you were the star and producer, how did this happen?
Davidson: Well, I came into the project as just an actor in the beginning. But with producing credits to my resume as well Craig thought it might be beneficial to use me on several levels. And I love producing films. Pulling in resources and getting people to work together.
Kovach: The character Joe plays -- the smart-ass, sort of "big kid" cop, Jeff Juransky -- was written specifically for him, so he was always going to be a major part of the movie. But when my original co-producer dropped out late in pre-production, Joe stepped up to the plate and really helped me out. Joe's a "can do" guy. He's not afraid of anything, and he's willing to work really hard. Making a movie like this is a tremendous time commitment, and Joe knows what that takes. As for writing and directing, writing was the easy part. You have time to dedicate to it in pre-production, and rewrites aren't a big deal. Directing was a big challenge though, because I was consumed with just trying to get the shots we needed during production while meeting our insane scope and schedule. I was managing a lot of the elements of production, which didn't leave a lot of room to direct the way I really wanted to -- to really explore the story with the actors. But basically, it came about because there were limited production and human resources available. You have to wear many hats to survive budget filmmaking.
5. What was the most difficult scene to shoot?
Davidson: For me, that would be the Skreeb shoot out. It was something like twenty degrees out and I kept running back into this small room with a heater like every ten seconds. Craig was, how would you say... mad at me? For a while. Seriously, I don't remember any shoot that was all too difficult, but I'm coming at this from another angle then the director. I'm sure Craig has some stories to tell.
Kovach: The skreeb hideout was tough. Really, just about everything we shot in the old Westinghouse plant was difficult, because there was no electricity, running water, bathrooms, etc. And the place was a hell hole -- dirty and dangerous. But the main shooting day in the skreeb hideout was 18 hours in below freezing weather. I remember Tom Savini made our line producer go out and buy him some battery operated hand warmers, it was that cold. To make matters worse, it was all action stuff with lots of details to work out on set. None of the pyro worked correctly, and one of the principal characters in the scene wasn't able to fire a specially designed alien weapon for the scene. Oh yeah, and it was four stories up...
6. You filmed it in the Tampa bay area; did you have a difficult time filming it there?
Davidson: Locally? No. The film commissioner was on our side the whole time. Edie Emelder was her name. She help us a bunch. There were some areas that were difficult to get along with. Local business and such. They see that you're making a movie and assume that you have huge Hollywood budget and throw them a couple hundred grand to use their parking lot. Others where extremely welcoming and let us things for next to, if not for nothing.
Kovach: Yeah, I'd say for the most part, people and businesses were very accommodating. I don't think we could have possibly done this anywhere else without a huge budget. We really received a lot of help and support from the business community, the Tampa Police Department, USF, and a LOT of other organizations and people. It definitely helps being a native and lifetime resident of the area. You build up a lot of resources and contacts. Tampa is a great place to film if you have an established network. But without that, it's not a particularly easy place to shoot for independents due to permitting and insurance restrictions, not to mention the fact that it's tough to find low/no pay crew…not to mention experienced. Unearthed was a permitted, insured shoot, but most independents are having to shoot guerilla in the Bay area from what I've seen.
7. Do you believe the indie scene is very much alive in Central Florida?
Davidson: That depends on several levels by what you mean. Yes, there is an indie scene in Central Florida. Is it alive? Let's just say it's on life support. You can't judge the indie film market in this area based on the relentless debauchery that is spewed out at various independent film festivals. There are independent films then there are slock T and A shorts. Can't compare the two.
Kovach: I guess I would agree with that. There is desire and momentum, but the indie scene doesn't seemed to have gelled very well in Tampa. I do believe it has a future if it can find its wings. I think that the University of Tampa is missing a huge opportunity by not starting a film school down here. It's the perfect place with the right atmosphere.
8. Are you thinking Sundance?
Davidson: More like sun bathing, my tan lines are showing again.
Kovach: Somehow I don't think Unearthed is Sundance fare. Robert Redford wouldn't get it.
9. What are you currently working on?
Davidson: Two films. One is a horror comedy written and directed by Marcus Koch and the other is horror comedy written and directed by myself with Craig producing both. Funding is underway.
Kovach: And finalizing post on Unearthed and marketing and promoting...
10. Any words of advice to up and coming filmmakers such as myself and what about you, any advice to struggling actors?
Kovach: Be realistic about what you can really accomplish with your projects limitations, financial budget, and available human resources. Plan your project with exhausting detail ahead of your shooting schedule. Make anything that is commercially viable that is not a zombie movie. And never, NEVER, let anyone tell you that you can "fix it in post."
Davidson: Focus and your resources. Use who and what you know and keep is it simple. As a writer I tend to write what I know and like, keeping in mind what resources I have to work with. Always know your resources. Be it friends, family, or a local restaurant owner. You never know what you might need.
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